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river11 · 2008-12-07 14:41:44

I have provided 3/4 wild Brazilian Scalares for the below study. They will be crossed with Ken Kennedy's (an angelfish breeder in the Philippines) Platinum Angels as part of the study. Anyone who has ever seen photos of Ken's angels won't soon forget them, they are fantastic. To be honest don't really understand much about the study but am glad to be part of it. I thought it was worth sharing.
Mike

Genetic study of what the Platinum angelfish is will be conducted by Dr. Matthew Shawkey
( http://www.uakron.edu/colleges/artsc...ty/Shawkey.php ) of the Department of
Biology at University of Akron. The study will determine if there is indeed a new recessive mutation
in the Platinum angelfish and if the mutation is coding for structural colour.

Some questions that hopefully will be answered by the study (genetic and morphological) are:

Is the platinum phenotype due to just a single locus mutation or to two or more loci gene mutations ( multigenic phenotype)?

Is the white colour of the Platinum angel pigmentary or structural?

Is the blue colour of the Platinumblue and the Pinoy angelfish structural?

If the white colour of the Platinum and the blue colour of the Platinumblue and Pinoy angels are structural,
then are the structural colours of these three angels being coded by one and the same gene mutation?

http://www.angelfishkisses.com/forum/sh … php?t=2212

Google · 2008-12-07 14:41:44

fishguy_1955 · 2008-12-07 22:42:38

Good for you bro! You seem to be meeting the right folks in the Angelfish community and getting the recognition you deserve for your AAA+ fish. I don't think that anyone realizes how much you do with the small space you use, but I can attest because I've seen it. If you had a dedicated fish room I think you would bust out in a very impressive way! Right now I think you are breeding some of the best Angels available. Hope you all are having a great holiday.

Best Regards
Paul P.

river11 · 2008-12-08 17:54:40

Thanks Paul, however it wasn't a totally selfless act. I do have Platinum Blue Zebras, Pinoy Zebras and Platinum Blue Ghost Angels coming from Ken this week. I plan on crossing these with my Zebra Angel lines to get more blue. The below photos are the breeders I sent to Akron OH. The photos were taken about 12 hours after arriving in Akron, so they haven't really colored up yet. Photos by Peter Bottle Akron OH.
Mike

Bev · 2008-12-08 18:36:31

That is neat that your able to be a part of this. While I don't understand all of it either I'm anxious to learn the results. Your not going to be disapointed with Ken's fish at all. I cannot believe the color on them. I got some of the platinum blue marbles and the platinum blue clowns and am really pleased. Even under bad light you can see a blue crown on those clowns.

I don't know have many times Ken has sent fish to the US but I think we are both pretty lucky to have gotten them.

Good luck with the cross.

Bev

Pareeeee · 2008-12-09 08:55:37

those are beautiful angels!!!

GL crossing em. we wanna see pics of the fry when you do.

river11 · 2008-12-09 19:36:47

Pareeeee wrote:
those are beautiful angels!!!

GL crossing em. we wanna see pics of the fry when you do.

Probably won't ever see the fish again. The Dr. Shawkey at the University of Akron is doing the breeding. Although I'll post pictures if I get some.
Mike

AIRSTONED · 2008-12-10 06:49:19

Thats very interesting Mike! Be sure to let us know how the cross turns out.
Great job!

river11 · 2009-01-19 16:42:03

Below are photos of some of the angels I received from Ken Kennedy in the Philippines in the swap for my 3/4 wilds. These fish were "lite up" while I was watching TV in the fishroom (yes I have a TV in fishroom) and distracting me. They are Platinum Blue Silvers. I have four other types from him all with platinum blood. Thought I'd share they all are like no angels I've seen before.
Mike

Bev · 2009-01-20 11:33:56

Told you there were amazing. The ones I have gotten from him have grown at a rate that I've never seen in angelfish. They have doubled in size and my two platinum blue marbles have paired up. No spawning yet but they are definately a pair.

The platinum blue clowns have developed more blue as they have grown. If I could just get all my angelfish to have that amount of virgor!

Amazingly beautiful fish and like you said....like nothing I've ever seen before.

Bev

river11 · 2009-01-20 14:48:00

Bev wrote:
Told you there were amazing. The ones I have gotten from him have grown at a rate that I've never seen in angelfish. They have doubled in size and my two platinum blue marbles have paired up. No spawning yet but they are definately a pair.

The platinum blue clowns have developed more blue as they have grown. If I could just get all my angelfish to have that amount of virgor!

Amazingly beautiful fish and like you said....like nothing I've ever seen before.

Bev

Bev, couldn't agree more they are "perky" and developing more blue. Below is two photos from five weeks ago not near as much blue.
Mike

fishfarm · 2009-01-25 19:06:04

If that fish is full sized, you could rule the angel class at the ACA convention. Ken

Bev · 2009-01-26 19:59:04

These are a few shots of mine. They are so hard to get good shots of because they won't stay away form the front of the tank. I need to take a course on photography... good thing that is the next meeting of the Capital Cichlid Association.

river11 · 2009-01-26 20:46:01

Bev, beautiful fish, I see a pearl scale and veils. I didn't get either from Ken and its probably best I'm already maxed for tank space. Thanks for posting.
Mike
The Asians are coming-look out Kois

terrapins · 2009-02-05 03:13:19

Bev, are their hues iridescence or pigment? I'm curious, do you know if they're environmentally influenced (analogous to carotenoid colors in Koi Angels which are non-black/non-white PIGMENTATION)?

river11 · 2009-03-06 22:27:11

Eggs!
Mike
The Asians are Coming

river11 · 2009-03-09 21:41:23

As promised, the Asians have arrived. If they take after their parents, they will knock your socks off.
Mike

Bev · 2009-03-12 18:50:02

Terrapins...so sorry I didn't see your message before. I would have to say pigment..especially on the smokey pearl and clowns. You can see the blue from a distace under poor lighting. They are really different. They were this color when I got them and it has stayed. We feed our breeding stock and future breeding stock a lot of live food..blackworms and daphnia.

Congrats Mike.....I cannot wait for mine to get started. It shouldn't be too long. I do believe your the first in the US???

terrapins · 2009-03-27 17:01:19

Are they the same color with OR without lighting? Iridescence is not real pigment but light being refracted then reflected back. The difference is obvious when you light the tank from above vs. ambient lighting or lighting focused on it's flanks in a directly perpendicular position. The effect is caused by layers within it's scale that non-iridescent fish do not have - analogous to how light changes colors when you shine it onto faceted glass.

river11 · 2009-03-29 17:40:56

terrapins wrote:
Are they the same color with OR without lighting? Iridescence is not real pigment but light being refracted then reflected back. The difference is obvious when you light the tank from above vs. ambient lighting or lighting focused on it's flanks in a directly perpendicular position. The effect is caused by layers within it's scale that non-iridescent fish do not have - analogous to how light changes colors when you shine it onto faceted glass.

Ted, I really don't know how to answer your question, they are still blue with the lights out, as with anything its shaded. All I know is they are BLUE whether its reflective light or something else doesn't matter to me. I'm a breeder, I get the very best I can find and breed it to the very best I have. Right now the best I can find are Pinoy angels from Ken Kennedy in the Philippines. I never get tired of looking at them. For comparison I have included the photos below. The angel on the right is a 100% wild blood F1 Peruvian Scalare from Luis at floridaguppiesplus in full spawning colors, this angel reflects as much iridescence as any angel I have.
Mike

tallyanna · 2009-04-01 05:33:23

What amazing fish.
I have never seen anything like them.
The kois are gonna be on the run!
Thanks for posting the pics.
Breathtaking!
Please keep us updated on the little ones.
Anna

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